Today my guest Rob Sams and I cover a lot of ground, and at the same time only scratch the surface – why safety isn’t that appealing anymore, the idea health and safety can a seriously religious concept in practice, the idea of paradox and how we might make sense of it all!


This, is the safety on tap podcast.


I’m your host Andrew Barrett, and since you’re listening in, you must be a leader wanting to grow yourself and drastically improve health and safety along the way.  Welcome to you, you’re in the right place.  If this is your first time listening in, thanks for joining us and well done for trying something different to improve!


Today’s interview will probably be a seriously challenging for you, which I hope creates the curiosity for you to listen.  If you were safe in your comfort zone, you wouldn’t be spending your time investing in yourself by listening – I know that’s not you, which is why I appreciate you so much.

Check out Rob’s book Social Sensemaking, A reflective journal: How we make sense of risk, and buy a copy here.  Take my word for it, you need to buy a copy. If you want to warm up with Karl Weick’s 7 Aspects of Sensemaking, I found this article really helpful.

We also mentioned the Social Psychology of Risk discipline, which we breezed over but deserves a greater plug – learn more here.

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