Today I’m joined by Professor Patrick Hudson from Delft University in the Netherlands.

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Today’s episode:
Many of you will know Patrick Hudson from his work on safety culture. We chat today about that, and I get to poke and prod his model, including the uses and abuses you need to be aware of when you are thinking about safety culture.
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Let’s climb into this discussion. Here’s Patrick:

So many good takeaways! But I’ve been accused of being verbose and voluminous in my earlier career, so wary of that. I’ll stick to three, which I think are the most leveraged for you to take action:
Takeaway #1: Don’t agonise over the detail – we touched on the agony over culture vs climate, whether culture is values, beliefs, attitudes, behaviours…..Patricks approach is pretty pragmatic – measure what you need to in order to take action – behaviour is a good place to start in his mind.
Takeaway #2: Don’t abuse the model, any model. The two page article is not enough for your to be confident you wont be using a square peg in a round hole. Patrick mentioned his disdain for the use of his model by regulators to set goals for entire industries and using it as a comparative measurement – its plain wrong. So you should understand any model well enough not to abuse it, don’t just use it on face value.
Takeaway #3: Here’s the improvement equation. Measure enough to be confident about where you want to go, and where you are now. Remember Einstein’s message – “measuring the right things, if inaccurately, will be better than measuring the wrong things accurately”. Keep it simple enough that you can engage your business to ask and answer the question ‘what would it take to get us there?’. That becomes your plan. Focus on that. And I reckon you’ll go a long way.

I mentioned I would share a few links to help you learn more about Safety Culture and the Maturity Model.  Here’s a few to get you started:

A quick video primer on Safety Culture from Safe Work Australia, by Professor Hudson

The primary source of Safety Culture Maturity info, based on Hudsons original work with the oil and gas industry (plenty of good downloads here too)

A critical analysis of the concept of safety culture, which contrasts Patrick’s views on culture with a number of other contemporary scholars

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